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Apple says: Tiger users could upgrade to Snow Leopard for £25 - but mustn't

I think that if Leopard's taken off the market, you could basically go swing if you expected me to pay for the box of software I didn't want.

Good work for not technologically enforcing the upgrade path, but poor show for the box set and the weaselly PR.

Gushing fanboy replies will get you banned, btw.

I'm getting to grips with my mac-based dev environment, and yep, it's an OK piece of kit, but (apart from my actual mates whose help I appreciate greatly) I have read enough apple-smugness on the net in the last two weeks, I don't have the stomach for more.

Date: 2009-09-20 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red20.livejournal.com
Are you using Tiger at the mo' or just speaking hypothetically?

Date: 2009-09-20 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
just commenting hypothetically, my macbook's running leopard at the mo, am waiting for snow leopard to settle down as my buddies are reporting a few kinks at the moment.

Date: 2009-09-20 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowofsummer.livejournal.com
If Apple wanted its users to have choices, they'd have more than one button on their mice.

Date: 2009-09-20 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkcryst.livejournal.com
er... 2004 called - they want their tech jokes back. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse)

Date: 2009-09-20 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowofsummer.livejournal.com
Yes, the wonderful Mighty Mouse, where it is physically impossible to right-click if your fingers are still touching the left hand side of the mouse. Brilliant technological move by Apple there -- take something that isn't broken, and break it.

Also, 1997 called. They have the Jerk Store on the line, and they want YOU back.

Date: 2009-09-20 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkcryst.livejournal.com
I never said it was a GOOD mouse, just that your tech jokes are woefully out of date.

However I see now that you're not so good at this whole joke concept; not understanding concepts like "internal consistency", "making sense", and "actually the slightest bit funny" so as it's wrong of me to make fun of the disadvantaged I'll stop.
Edited Date: 2009-09-20 04:08 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-09-20 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowofsummer.livejournal.com
Okay, quick lesson in pop culture, Skippy: several years ago, there was a show called 'Seinfeld', ending with the 1997 TV season. It was rather popular. You may have even heard of it.
In one episode, a somewhat bumbling, buffoonish character named George Costanza is in a business meeting, making a pig of himself with the complimentary shrimp, when another business associate in the meeting says 'Hey George - the ocean called - they're running out of shrimp!' This causes much laughter and derision at George's expense. On his way home from the meeting, in a case of l'esprit d'escalier, George hits upon the comeback 'The Jerk Store called, and they're running out of you!'
Several times throughout the episode it's pointed out that this is not a good line, and in fact makes little sense.

With this in mind, it becomes apparent that my joke was, in fact, intended to be a deliberately crap joke both acknowledging my own cliched joke about Apple and pointing out that you're using the hackneyed 'X called, they want Y' joke setup to point out that I'm being unoriginal.
Part of the reason I did this was because I thought making light of the whole thing would be kinda funny and because at first glance you seemed like you might be pretty cool. From your reply, I see you're actually just an idiot who thinks he's the arbiter of comedy.

Also, you're fat.

Date: 2009-09-20 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowofsummer.livejournal.com
This isn't the first time you've had two young men fighting for your love, is it?

Date: 2009-09-20 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
why is it never women, wrestling each other for my love? :(

Date: 2009-09-20 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowofsummer.livejournal.com
The conflict of women is an altogether more subtle one, made up chiefly of rumour and character assassination. Seldom does it come to bikini mud-wrestling, no matter what videos on the internet have told you.

Date: 2009-09-20 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
mmm. this has been my experience.

seldom have I been able to inspire what I believe is known in PC terms as a "lez-off".

Date: 2009-09-20 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowofsummer.livejournal.com
Also, I can totally wee higher up a wall than you can.

Date: 2009-09-20 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkcryst.livejournal.com
Wait... are you saying you actually READ COMMENTS ON PUBLIC SITES ON THE INTERNET??

Schoolboy error right there. No good can come of it. Stop it right now.

Date: 2009-09-20 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
sage advice ;)

Date: 2009-09-20 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
Not a fanboy response because I don't think Apple are perfect (don't get me started on the shitty £70 dual-link mini-displayport adaptor that doesn't work properly) but I've been having to do some stuff in a Windows-only app that I installed in VMWare the last few weeks and I think I'm having the opposite experience to you.

Three words: "Windows Genuine Advantage"

Date: 2009-09-20 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
yep, totally, feller. I'm not trying to say that windows is better. I certainly think that just quietly leaving the illicit route open and not assuming your customers to be thieves is the more civilised route, and good on 'em for it.

I'm totally thinking that the win/apple thing is a matter of paradigms that are by definition mutually incompatible to just the level that will drive you nuts. they have to be similar enough that you can actually do shit, because they both have to take on the main body of technological Good Things at any time, but then as soon as they can, they diverge quite a bit. All great if you only use one of them heavily. Psychologically, it gives you that "ew god. ok, done that now. back to my safe place. ahhhhhh. that's right." feeling. well, it does me :P

google mublinder for WGA, btw (yepyep, shouldn't have to crack it, i know!)

am kinda bearing up with my mac experience, finally, you know!

though we could just save the heart-ache and trade jobs? :)

Date: 2009-09-20 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hauntedunix.livejournal.com
"I'm getting to grips with my mac-based dev environment, and yep, it's an OK piece of kit, but (apart from my actual mates whose help I appreciate greatly) I have read enough apple-smugness on the net in the last two weeks, I don't have the stomach for more."

Fucking m1cro$h4ft n00b lolz u need the istomach touch. its wey betta m8.

...I threw up in my mouth a little bit typing that.

Date: 2009-09-20 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selectnone.livejournal.com
Now try typing it on an iPhone, fighting the auto-correct all the way :D

Date: 2009-09-20 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
hoo boy howdy did I turn that shit off in a trice :)

Date: 2009-09-20 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selectnone.livejournal.com
It works pretty well for quick typing, if you're not a l33tist like you :P

Date: 2009-09-20 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
as with everything apple, I need it to be more customizable it's not, and it would keep firing really annoying suggestions, so i turned it off :/

typing this made me weep

Date: 2009-09-20 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
why'd you wanna stomach it m8?

lol if apple wanted u to stomach it theyd have preinstalled istomach into snow lepid u n00b

stop doin things apple dun want u 2 u fukin idyit this aint wind0z3 lolololol

Date: 2009-09-20 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevalicori.livejournal.com
Like I said in the comments on that article… Leopard users who paid to upgrade would throw an utter shit-fit if Tiger users could -legitimately- leapfrog them for the reduced price.

Leopard costs £125
Snow Leopard costs £25

…so you’re already looking at £150 without iLife and iWork.

Realistically, though, they could get away with a “£75 upgrade for Tiger users”… but then people would probably complain that the upgrade for Tiger users and upgrade for Leopard users were identical in every respect except the price. At least the box set has some degree of differentiation.

Either way, they’re going to piss somebody off by having the 10.6 upgrade at a low price.

Date: 2009-09-20 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
I would have gone with the £75 upgrade for Tiger users idea, myself, but I understand what you're saying, aye.

Date: 2009-09-20 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] untermensch.livejournal.com
Charging for the operating system was a stupid idea in the first place. There's no reason why Apple shouldn't treat and sell it like other hardware vendors do their firmware.

Date: 2009-09-20 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
that's practically heresy :D

anyhooz, apple do charge for major firmware upgrades ont' ipod, innit.

Date: 2009-09-20 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selectnone.livejournal.com
Isn't there some legal reason for that?

Date: 2009-09-20 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
Apple legally enjoys money? :)

(could be, though, I hadn't heard!)

Date: 2009-09-20 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selectnone.livejournal.com
It's due to accounting legalities, according to Apple, anyway.

Date: 2009-09-20 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] untermensch.livejournal.com
They do? Every time I install a new windows ipodsetup jobby, it insists on upgrading the firmware on whatever ipod I plug in, without any choice in the matter!

Date: 2009-09-20 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
ja, but if they go to a new major version and you've not paid, you have to do so to get the latest-latest.

Date: 2009-09-20 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] untermensch.livejournal.com
Ah yeah I see what you mean. I always thought that was because major updates means next generation means new hardware or some crap. I dunno. The way Apple force people into the incremental update cycle really pisses me off.

Date: 2009-09-20 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r0zi.livejournal.com
But fangirl replies are ok?? :D

Date: 2009-09-20 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
wellllll, seeing as it's you :)

Date: 2009-09-20 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
I had entirely forgotten this, and now wuv oo vewy much. X

Date: 2009-09-20 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trav28.livejournal.com
heh, wuvs you too ;)

I think Brooker nails that Mac smugness with perfection. Likening them adult Fisher Price Play Centres is pure genius.

Date: 2009-09-20 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
I do call my mac the Big iPod, because that's how it strikes me :P

I'm getting used to it, and it's nae bad, but some mac users... gawd.

I'm lucky that my mates tend NOT to be that type and actually dish out good advice, but trawling through forums for info, the attitude is crushing.

Date: 2009-09-21 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevalicori.livejournal.com
For what it’s worth, I know quite a few serious Mac-heads—a number of them work for small indies and make their living selling Mac software. I don’t know of one of them who doesn’t avoid Mac forums like the plague.

MIND YOU, my cursory glances over the years haven’t found them to be noticeably worse than those devoted to Linux (ahem… GNU/Linux, sweet lords).
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