The other prisoners

[deathboy]

Most of the coverage of abuse at Abu Ghraib has focused on male detainees. But what of the five women held in the jail, and the scores elsewhere in Iraq? Luke Harding reports

Repeat until fade: "THEY are the monsters, not us. THEY are the monsters, not us, TH..."

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[needler.livejournal.com]

'and the saints and angels ask 'how anyone could treat mortals that way?'
so many souls to change!


i cant give words how reading all this shit makes me feel,
and im stressing about my neighbours fucking footbal
people are skating and talking of diets and discos
and people despite creed and colour are being treated like this!

fucking authority is fucked up, i dont know how i feel anymore

:(

[apiphile.livejournal.com]

And the final score: outraged, furious, impotent and unsurprised. Give people power and they WILL abuse it.

[deathboy.livejournal.com]

The point, apart from the fact these people are being raped, which, I'd say, is towards the top of the attrocity stack, and which most won't immediately think of is this:

The shock value of the public when they hear about this news is enormous.

Abusing male iraqis, to the unthinking commoner equates thus:

male iraqi == terrorist == responsible for 9/11

(I KNOW how wrong this is, but that's what half of america seems to think)

the recent beheadings, if not fake, have been used to make the prison attrocities "OK" in the minds of the public.

But once you throw women into the media mix, suddenly, we're some nasty motherfuckers (to Joe Public).

And so they haven't. We haven't heard. We most likely won't hear.

Because hurting women is bad, m'kay, but violating uncharged iraqi detainees for sport is, well, I guess that's just the American (and English) Dream.

[digital-deviant.livejournal.com]

Listen to a lot of US / UK government statements.
They have a very consistent trait of using the words terrorism, or the subject of Sept 11th adjacent to discussion about Iraq / Saddam Hussein.
To the discerning politophile, this will ring out as mere bunk, but to the pedestrian public, who listen to the news "to find out what is going on in the world" (a hilarious concept if you've ever seen Fox News, ABC, NBC or CNN) will take this in without quetion and will be literally riddled with subconscious associations between Saddam Hussein, Terrorism and Sept 11th.
When polled in June of 2003, 60% of US people stated that they believed Saddam Hussein was responsible for Sept 11th.

We must always remember that politics and the interests that drive politics is/are led by very clever, very greedty people who know exactly how to manipulate the public mindset. This is not new concept, the Romans and the Ancient Greeks pulled the same shit.
With all this happening, it makes you realise how Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich were able to convince people that the killing of Jews was somehow right.
Jews were portrayed to the German "mob" as thieves, child molesters, criminals etc...
Orwell hit the nail firmly on the head in 1984 with the 2 minutes hate against [insert name of chosen enemy] in order to convince the proles that constant war on [insert name of chosen enemy] was just and necessary.

[megashrike.livejournal.com]

We didn't do it. Monsters did it. Yes, monsters.

[myriadofsins.livejournal.com]

Cut. Their. Cocks. Off.

And hang a poster of each of the guards in every US Post Office (like wanted posters are) to serve as an example. With contact details.

[caspervonb.livejournal.com]

I am canadian.

I come from a long line of soldiers.

Although I never joined the military myself, I spent
a long time at the bases and amongst both officers and
grunts.

You should hear the outrage amongst soldiers.

Being a soldier is an honourable profession. Codes of
conduct and proper behaviour are incredibly important
to them.

The assumption that soldiers are trained not to think
is wrong. It is an often repeated error. You'll regularly
hear it from the media when they try to portray soldiers
as mindless killing machines.

Soldiers are trained to follow orders whether they
understand the reasons involved or not. This does not
equate to lack of independant thought. It simply means
that you must have faith in the higher ups knowing more
than you do about any situation. This implicit trust is
crucial to the military mindset and the proper running
of an army.

However, soldiers are also trained to have pride in
themselves, pride in their regiment and pride in their
army. They are trained to be honourable.

The idea of obeying morally repugnant orders goes
directly against all I have ever seen and heard from
every soldier I have known.

You are not devoid of thought or heart if you are a
military man. In my experience, soldiers lead lives
of sacrifice without money, glory or fame. The rewards
of the Life come from knowing you are doing right and
knowing that your purpose is true.

The animals who did the abusing in Iraq have no excuse
for what they did. Turning around and blaming the higher
ups is ridiculous and insulting.

Fucking worms trying to wriggle out of the crimes they
have comitted.

"...but I was told to do it..."

Fuck. That.

They need to be court martialed under the heaviest penalties
of military law. Send 'em to the gibbet for their crimes.

And any figure, political or military, who encouraged this
behaviour should be also taken and tried under military law.

Soldiers should think about their actions and should be
accountable for what they do. These people are just fucking
maggots.

Sometimes, in the middle of the night when insomnia hits, I become
afraid of the USA growing a generation of monsters who, like children,
refuse responsibility for their actions. Without souls or morals, they
run around destroying lives and innocence simply because they can and
because they feel it is their birthright.

[dcpunk.livejournal.com]

god damn idiots. i was proud to be an american.

Re: OT

[deathboy.livejournal.com]

we'll be re-arranging by the sounds of it. logistical fuck up. totally wanna play there still, and they seem happy to re-arrange.